Monday, December 5, 2011

Vangsness, Vangsnes, Wangsness Family Group

John G. Vangsness found a group on Facebook for the Vangsness Family Name. People with that name or are related to the Vangsness family are joining the group. I sent a friend request too.

One person, Norman M. Wangsness mentioned that his ancestor was
Markus Hallvardson Vangsness. Norman says that Markus came to America about 1841 and that he had 13 children. In our family tree, we have some relatives named Hallvardson as well, but that does not form a family relation, it just means that one of our relatives had a father named Hallvard.... None-the-less,  I contacted Wilda Obey and she did some research and came up the with following information.

Markus Hallvardson Vangsness

Norman's ancestor is on page 692 -3 of the Balestrand Bygdebok, farm 15 of Vangsnes, in Sognefjord area of Norway.
(See the links in the blog to find out what a Bygdebok is and where Sognefjord is.)

In 1803 Hallvard Samuelson Lunde bought this farm. He was the son of Samuel Hallvardson Lunde and son's son of Hallvard Person of Lundsviki. The father, Samuel, had married Gurid Andersdtr Valsvik of Arnefjord and they lived there some years. Hallvard was born in 1775 in Lidal and in 1800 married Anna Markusdtr Dale of Svaerefjorden. Hallvard was a boat owner and had enough money to buy the Vangsnes farm. 

Hallvard died in 1838 and his wife in 1857. They had 6 children who grew up: Markus got the farm; Gurid married Sjovat Anderson Vangsnes (see p. 685); Anna married Sjur Olson Berrekvam and they left Vangsnes. Brita, Anna and Gjertrud must have left the area also. (WO says Brita Halvorsdtr Vangsnes is on p. 606 of the Leikanger book; Anna Sjovatsdtr Vangsnes married Arnfinn E. Husabo Leikanger book; someone came to MN in 1875. Apparently 2 daughters named Anna.) Probably they went to America. The only one buried in Vangsnes is Gurid who died 1871.

Markus Hallvardson who got the farm was born in 1804 and in 1841 married Brita Sjursdtr Vangsnes (p. 688 ) They had the farm 6 years until 1844 they sold it to Jon Erikson Ramsoy from Aurland. After that I don't know more of Markus and his family. (WO says: They left for America 12 April 1844 with Markus's in-laws. They were among the first from this area to go.)

Wilda says:
The above is more or less my translation from the author, and my thoughts are in ( )s. I could probably trace the family back from Markus and his wife - some from the Arnafjord area of Vik, and Lunde, Lundsviki, and Svaerefjord are in Balestrand. My guess is that they would probably be related to you somewhere back on the line.

Wilda also says:
I just started making a pedigree chart for Norman's ancestry and so far haven't seen any connection between his family and yours. He is related to me, and his ancestor Markus Hallvardson's wife Brita Sjursdtr Vangsnes's mother is Inger Persdtr Mundal born 1797 and Inger's brother is Walter Mondale's ancestor.


Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Zelma's Brothers and Sisters, Part 2

....as told by Zelma in 1993....


Zelma's Brothers and Sisters from her Step-Mother, Dora Durbin Doyle

James Jr. remarried after Mantha Jane died to Dora Durbin. They had six children. Dora proceeded James in death and James died at the age of 81 at his daughter Olga's home in Zenia, Ohio.

Marie was born January 28, 1923. She married Phillip Bouse.
They had 6 children.
Phillip James, Donna Jean, Dwight David, Emily Jane, Erick, Randy Phillip James
  • Nothing is given about Phillip James.
  • Donna Jean resides in Dayton and her son, Charlie, resides in Broughton.
  • Dwight David was born October 31 (no year given) and married twice to
  • 1) Doris, 2) Sonya. David and Sonya live in Las Vegas and have 3 children.
David, Karl, Suzanne Marie
  • Emily Jane Married Junior Collette, they have three children.
  • Jamie, Angela, Derek 
      Her second husband is Rod Stewart. They reside in Anderson, SC.
    • Erick resides in Dayton, OH.
    • Randy resides in Dayton, OH.

    Dorene was born November 29th, 1924. She never married.

    Zella Mae was born August 21, 1926. She married Sam Denton (born March 28, 1924) on September 6, 1947. They reside inn Louisville, KY and have 2 children.
    Doyle Anthony and Constance Susan

    • Doyle Anthony (Tony) was born March 15, 1948 and died January 3, 1955 from Rheumatic Heart.
    • Constance Susan (Susie) was born January 25, 1950. She married Danny Thompson on May 3, 1967. They had one child and then they divorced in 1984. Susie remarried on November 3, 1984 to Don Ball and they divorced April 4, 1990. They had no children.
    Troy Anthony Thompson

    Troy was born November 23, 1967. He married Rhonda Marie Miller (born January 28, 1971) on May 28, 1989. They adopted a son.
    James Anthony Thompson
    James Anthony Thompson was born on January 23, 1996.
    James Conrad was born January 4, 1928. He married Gladys Clark
    They had 2 children.
    Teresa Ann and Darrell Conrad

    • Teresa Ann was born August 1, 1952 and she died February 1992 from diabetes, kidney failure. Sadly, she had lost both her feet to diabetes.
    • Darrell married Lori.
    Pauline was born on January 24, 1931. She never married and died December 1994.

    Annabelle was born on December 23, 1935. She married Jim Durkat. They had 5 children.
    Toni, Todd, Tuffy, Keith and one name unknown



    Saturday, November 19, 2011

    Zelma's Brothers and Sisters, Part 1

    ....as told by Zelma in 1993....


    Zelma's Brothers and Sisters from her Mother, Mantha Jane


    Zelma was the oldest of the 7 children and she was 15 years old when her mother died. She married Gourmand Dreyfus McAdams in November 12, 1921.
    They had 3 children:
    Avery Cecil, Gourmand Jr. and Mantha Jayne

    Gene was born in 1900. He married Mabel. She had a daughter, Mildred, from a previous marriage. Mabel died of leukemia in 1972 and Gene died of creeping paralysis in 1979.
    No children are listed for Gene and Mabel.

    Herman was born November 9, 1906. He married Jessee October 9, 1928.
    They had 3 children:
    Barbara, Dick and Linda.

    • Barbara lives in Texas and she married Chuck Carney. They have 4 children:

    Vickey, Mickey, Chuck Jr. and Cindy.

    • Dick was a Navy career man, a frogman, and he died under mysterious circumstances. He was run off the road into the ocean in California. The family thinks it was foul play and the Navy refused to give out any information. Dick was married and had 5 children which have all disappeared. His sister has tried to find them but ran into a dead end.
    • Linda lives somewhere in California, I think.

    Nervie was born in 1907. She married Leonard Davis. Nervie and her family lived in Kentucky.
    They had 6 children:
    Juanita, Merline, Zelma, Letha, Leo and Geraldine.

    She died of TB at the age of 31 in 1938. Leonard moved the family to Bedford, Indiana to work in the limestone quarry pits. He committed suicide by hanging himself. The children was put in foster homes and the family tried to find then but could not.

    Grace was born May 15, 1908. She married Virgil Browning on December 26, 1925.
    They had one child:
    Ted

    • Ted was born July 13, 1931. Ted married Barb on May 4th (year not given). They had 3 children, 2 girls and a boy. Ted and his family still live in Fairborn, Ohio as of January 1999.

    Tereva, Jerry and 1 name unknown.

    Grace was a successful business woman. She owned a grocery store, furniture store and still owns a bar in Fairborn, Ohio as of January 1999. Virgil was always called Brownie. He died of cancer.

    Gradie was married to Fred McClellan on July 13, 1914. They had one daughter. Gradie and Fred separated. Gradie went to  stay with Grace. The baby girl was smothered and died while sleeping between Grace and Gradie. Gradie divorced Fred and later remarried Pinky Herr. Gradie had a tonsillectomy at home by a doctor who cut a vein in her throat and she bled to death. She was in her twenties. Her husband, Pinky, never remarried and mourned her death until he died.
    (Note from Pamela: I estimate that Gradie was born about 1909 and that she died about 1930 or so. No dates are given by Zelma.)

    Olga was born July 7, 1916. She married Hassie Johnson on Aug 19, 1932. They reside in Xenia, Ohio.
    They have 3 children:
    Richard, Nellie Frances (Sissey) and Johnny
    • Sissy (born October 6, 1935) had 5 children and she died from a stroke.
    • Richard (born December 13, 1933) and Johnny (born March 5, 1944) still live in Xenia.

    James Monroe Jr. is said to have lived with Olga till his death at 81, which would have been about 1853.

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011

    Zelma's Grandparents and Parents

    As told by Zelma January 11, 1993....

    Mother's Side of the family...
    Zelma's Grandmother on her Mother's side was Marietta Heath. Marietta had a daughter out of wedlock, Mantha Jane Heath, who is Zelma's mother. Marietta later married a man named Golse Weekly.
    Note about the Family Tree Charts here:: 
    I have added the spouses of the children when known for convenience.


    Father's Side of the family...
    Zelma's Grandfather was James Monroe Doyle Sr. He married Rachel Ravmer.
    They had 3 children:
    Sherman, Charity Belle and James Monroe Jr.  
    Rachel was kidnapped by Indians and was never seen again.
    Also, on the Raymer Family Tree site, they have Lucretia Doyle (b:1858) and Calvera Doyle (b:1868) listed as Rachel's children.


    Rachel was later pronounced dead, thus allowing James Monroe Sr to marry Susanne Sandifer.
    They had 4 children:
    Janie Lee, Bett, Albert and Oscar.




    Parents
    When James Monroe Jr. (Zelma's father) was a boy, he was sent to live with a family named Haines. That is how he came to be called Haines Doyle. He married Mantha Jane Heath. He and Mantha had 7 children:
    Zelma, Gene, Herman, Nervie, Grace, Gradie and Olga.

    Mantha Jane died on her kitchen table where she had been operated on for an appendicitis in 1914. Zelma would have been 15 at the time.

    James (Haines) Doyle Jr. remarried to Dora Durbin and they had 6 children:
    Marie, Dorene, Zella Mae, James, Pauline and Annabelle.


    Note:
    Dora proceeded James in death and James died at the age of 81 at his daughter Olga's home in Zenia, Ohio. The Raymer Family Tree site lists James Monroe Doyle Jr.'s birth at 1872 and his death as 1953.

    The Raymer Family Tree also gives the full name of Mantha Jane Heath as Samantha Jane. Her birth as Dec. 15, 1879 and her death is given by Zelma as 1914, but I have found it elsewhere as April 28, 1920. Also another problem with the 1914 death date is that Olga, Mantha Jane's last child was born in 1916.
    Zelma says that Olga was born July 30, 1916...
    -either her mother did not die in 1914, but died in 1916 after giving birth to Olga or in 1920...,
    -or Olga was born in 1914....
                                                  This will have to be verified.
    to be continued.....

    Saturday, November 12, 2011

    Zelma Doyle's Family

    Zelma is the mother of my Aunt Jayne, Mantha Jayne (Doyle) Sylvester. She was originally from Segal, Kentucky and later moved to Muncie Indiana.

    I can remember as a little girl going with Zelma and her husband out to their farm. I would "play" with the baby pigs, laughing as they squealed.  I kept well away from the fenced in mommy pigs who were not happy with me at all. And then later having a wonderful lunch of cooked greens and a wonderful meat dish of some sort. All of it tasted wonderful - good country cuisine. Tomatoes with a bit of salt. Fresh milk. Zelma was always kind to me.

    Mantha Jayne and Paul John's Wedding Day, 1950

    Dreak McAdams, Zelma McAdams, Bride, Mantha Jayne, Groom Paul John, Nellie Sylvester, Paul C Sylvester

    James Monroe Doyle Jr. was Zelma's father. He married Mantha Jane Heath - not to be confused with my aunt, who is Mantha Jayne Sylvester.


    Zelma was born January 18, 1899. There were 7 children in her family. She was the oldest.
    Zelma, Gene, Herman, Nervie, Grace, Gradie and Olga.




    In 1914, when Zelma was just about 15 years old, her mother Mantha Jane was operated on for an appendicitis on her kitchen table and died from the operation.

    Later, James Monroe Jr. remarried Dora Durbin and they had 6 children.
    Marie, Dorene, Zella Mae, James, Pauline and Annabelle.

    Zelma married Gourmand Dreyfus McAdams on November 12, 1921. She would have been just 22 years old. She worked hard all of her life. She had 3 children:
    Avery Cecil, Gourmand Jr. and Mantha Jayne.
    to be continued.....

    Wednesday, November 9, 2011

    Cousins by the Dozens

    I guess these photos were taken in the late 90s. My Uncle Paul is wearing the red baseball cap in the back.

    Help me with some of the names of our cousins. What are their names??


    Wednesday, October 19, 2011

    Walter Mondale - Late 1120's to 1857

    Here is a quick Family Chart for Walter Mondale...from his Great Grandparents, Brita and Fredrik on up to the late 1120's for his earliest ancestor, Harald Gillekrist, as well as Harald's father, King Magnús Berfœttr III and Harald's grandfather, King Olaf Haraldsson III.

    I input all of his family from the previous article and output this chart. The dates were added by reading the article and estimating the dates. Some have no dates because there were none in the article.



    You can see the whole Family Tree HERE.

    Walter Mondale - From Vangsnes in Sogn

    Here is an old article written about Walter F. Mondale, when he was a presidential candidate in 1983. His ancestors come from the same part of Norway as the Vangsness Family. I have been told that he and I are distantly related and I hope to document this in the future.

    I thought it would be interesting for everyone to read this interesting story. It tells of his Norwegian family background in Vangsnes in Sogn.  Gjertrud married Hans Person Mundal. It was Gjertrud who got the deed to the Mundal farm, which seems to be King Bele's farm. Their daughter, Brita, took over the farm, but later left for America in 1857 with her husband, Fredrik Person Vangsness when her parents died.....

    Here is the whole article:
    Walter F. Mondale - a descendant of the old Viking Kings
    by Herman Raunehaug


    "The article is written by an energetic young man who is interested in genealogy and in helping anyone who may need help from Norway in tracing their background. He is presently president of the Board of Directors of the Cleng Peerson Memorial Institute, headquartered in Stavanger, Norway. "
    You may write to him at:
    Herman Raunehaug
    Telemarkvingen #7
    4030 Stavanger, Norway


    This note was added at the bottom of the copy I received, so I am not sure if it is still accurate. 
    I will write about Cleng Peerson later.... 

    Monday, October 17, 2011

    Iver Endreson's Pedigree Chart

    In this chart, you can see the family line, going from son to mother & father, starting at Iver, our GG Grandfather, to Kristoffer Kristenson, our GGGGGGG Grandfather.

    Pedigree Chart
    Click here to see an enlargeable version.

    The Great Grandfathers

    If you go to the Family Tree site, A Beginning - The Vangsness Family HERE you will see Kristoffer Kristenson born in 1610. But where do you go from there?

    It is hard to know who to click to see the next link. I can not control the color of the names nor can I add some indication of who is next in our line, because this site is produced automatically by the software I use. So I want to add a Grandfather List, like the one that Shelley did when we first started out studying the Family Tree made by John G. Vangsness.


    • Kristoffer Kristenson, 1610 - 1701 Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
    • Hans Kristofferson, Le  1665 - 1745 Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
    • Kristoffer Hansson, Le  1711 - 1762 Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
    • Hans Kristofferson, Le  1744 - 1823 Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
    • Endre Hansen, Le, Nissestad  1783-1850 Great, Great, Great Grandfather
    • Ivar Enderson, Nistad (Ivar Vangsness)  1819-1905 Great, Great Grandfather
    Now, depending on which of the sons your line is from here on (John E., Anders, Carl, Andrew or Cornelius), the names will be a little different.
    • John Endereson Vangsness  1852-1938 Great Grandfather
    • Paul Connor Sylvester  1895-1963 Grandfather

    Monday, October 3, 2011

    Some Photos of Alfred and Sally Vangsness at Family Functions

    Alfred and Sally's Wedding Photo

    Alfred and Sally attend Adolph & Mabel's Wedding
    Alfred and Sally with their children: John, Stanley and David.


    Alfred and Sally at Lydia and Reuben's Wedding

    Sally, Lydia, Reuben and Alfred at Lydia's 50th Wedding Anniversary

    Friday, September 30, 2011

    Starting work on The Family Tree

    I have started making a Family Tree. It is just in its beginning stages. It takes me a long time to format all the files so that they can be downloaded properly and viewed by everybody.

    Take a Look:
    The Vangsness Family Tree - A Beginning

    If you have trouble with any photos or files, let me know.

    Wednesday, September 21, 2011

    The Early 1800's - More about the Times




    I have often wondered why so many people left Norway at this time. My brother even said after looking at the beautiful photos of their farms, Why would people leave such a beautiful place? Why, indeed?

    Wikipedia says:
    ...Between 1396 and 1536 Norway was a part of the Kalmar Union, and from 1536 to 1814 Norway was effectually a tributary to Denmark, and was called Denmark-Norway. Denmark–Norway entered into an alliance with Napoleon, with the war leading to dire conditions and mass starvation in 1812....
    In the Vik area --
    On December 2nd 1811 there was a landslide in Arnafjorden in Nese which devastated the area. Forty-five people were killed. The farm buildings in Nese were all gathered together in one place, just where the landslide happened. Then, in 1812, crops were very bad. People had to work very hard just to get by. They needed help, but it was hard to get help. Even by around 1830 or so, people had still not fully recovered from the hard times. 

    In 1839, the first people left Vik for America. They were Per Ivarson Undi and his wife and children. They were the first emigrants from the Sogn og Fjordane County and they were the start of a flood of people leaving the area. Looking at the villages in and around Vik, more than 4,000 people left Vik. Now, there are only about 2,700 people in Vik, but there are thousands of Americans with roots in Vik i Sogn.

    And then there were hard social conditions. They did not exactly have serfdom in Norway, but something similar.

    Norwegian serfdom can be a way of defining the position of the Norwegian lower class farmers, though they were not actually in serfdom by European standards. The evolution of this social system began about 1750.

    The system of Norwegian inheritance was based on a paternal line. Usually the younger sons got a share of the original farm, thus splitting it up in smaller homesteads. In the eastern parts of the country, and to some extent the mountain municipalities, the smaller homesteads still belonged to the main farm, and the lesser farmers were obliged to work the fields on the main farm as well as their own, in exchange for living there. This could lay heavy burdens on the smaller homesteads.


    Vik Coat of Arms*
    Sogn og Fjordane
    As time passed, the smaller homesteads passed from farmer to farmer, and the actual bonds between the families could be broken. In Hedmark, a main farm could govern up to ten smaller homesteads, spread around in the forests and fields connected to the farm. Social exploitation could often be a result of this policy, and also a strict social order, not to be broken (described in some of the novels of Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson, and later Ingeborg Refling Hagen and Alf Prøysen). The difference from serfs elsewhere was that the farmer did not directly own the life and property of the homesteader (Husmann), but in most cases, he practically did. In Hallingdal this was most common in the lower parts of the valley, and, at some point, all the serfs were evicted, and the homesteads torn down. Many of the Norwegian migrants to America came from this social class. So did also the main stock of Norwegian workers, as the land got crowded and the shifting of land came to an end about 1860.

    Vik within Sogn og Fjordane
    Could the landslide and subsequent bad economic times along with Ivar's parents deaths in 1850 have pushed him into going to America to better himself? Since 1839, people had started to leave. He must have heard the stories of abundant land to be had to any hard working family.  And in his position of being the 4th son in a large family, he would have expected to get little after his parents deaths. And with their deaths in 1850, it must have been very clear to him what he could expect.

    *The coat of arms, granted on March 15, 1991 shows 3 knives for cutting leaves used for fodder.

    Tuesday, September 20, 2011

    Iver E's Family in Norway

    The first members of the Vangness Family to come to the US were Iver E. and his wife, Unni. I do not have much information right now on Unni, but I would like to start working on Iver's family.

    Iver's parents
    Father:  Endre Hansen, Lee, Nissestad Born 1783 - Died 1850 at age 67
    Mother: Kari Wikingsdatter, Morkve Born 1780 - Died 1850 at age 64

    I would be very interested to find out why both parents died in 1850.

    They had 8 children:
    1. John Endreson Born 1804 - Died ?, Married Ragnhild Hohannesdatter, Lee & later Ingeborg Torteindotter Hauglum
    2. Hans Endreson, Nistad, Dale Born 1806 - Died 1878 at age 72, Married Ingeborg Vilhelmdotter, Dale
    3. Synneve Endresdatter Born 1808 - Died 1861, Died at age 55
    4. Wiking Endreson I  Born 1812 - Died 1812, Died as a baby
    5. Wiking Endreson Born 1813 - Died ?*, Married Kari Olsdotter, Hopperstad
    6. Ole Endreson I Born 1817 - Died 1817, Died as a baby
    7. Iver Endreson, Nisstad Born 1819 - Died 1905 in US**at age 86, this is our Iver!Married Unni Andersdatter
    8. Ole Endreson Born 1823 - Died 1905* at age 82
    *Often, if a child died in child birth or as a little baby, the parents would often name the next baby of the same sex with the same name.
    **Click on the Iver E. Vangsness  under Topic to see other entries about Iver.


    Of the 8 children,
    • 2 died at birth or as little babies. 
    • 3 lived to advanced old age: 72, 82 and 86!
    • 1 to age 55
    • 2 death unknown at this time, but as John Endreson had two wives, he most likely lived a long time and Wiking lived to marry, so she no doubt lived to adulthood.
    It is also interesting to note that Wiking Endreson (#5 in the list above) is the main male sponsor in 1853 at the baptism of Iver and Unni's child, John, our Great grandfather. He is listed as Viking Endresen Nissestad in that document. See John E. Vangsness' Birth Records.

    I do not have any information about other family members coming to the US. John G. Vangnsess, who did the original research on the family tree does not mention any other family members coming to the US, so I assume that they did not immigrate.

    Thursday, September 15, 2011

    Iver Endreson & Unni Andersdattor Marriage

    Wilda Obey searched the Balestrand bygdebok, read the Norwegian and found the following:

    Sogn og Fjordane county, Balestrand, Parish register (official) nr. 
    A 2 (1844-1866), Marriage records 1854, page 159.

    Background information
    Vangsnes is now in the Vik administration unit and it is part of the Vik mainland. In the past Vansnes was considered part of Balestrand Parish which is across the Sognefjord. In the days before roads were built, it was easier for government and church officials to go across the fjord by boat than to hike over the mountains. Thus, the Vangsness farm is in the Balestrand bygdebok.

    On Find a Grave, we have photos of John E's grave stone listing his birth as July 13th, but the Balestrand church book (1844-1866) lists his birth as July 12th, 1852. (see my blog entry John E. Vangsness' Birth Records.) His parents were not married at the time but they did marry in December 1853. They went to America in 1854, most likely in April. We are a little puzzled about the two birth dates being different. One would think that John E. would know his own birthday! But we have been told that mistakes do happen on gravestones....

    John was born at the Vangsnes farm. His father was Iver Endreson Nissestad and his mother was Unni Andersdatter Vangsnes. At their marriage, Iver is 35 and Unni is 30 years 6 months.


    Marriage Records  http://www.arkivverket.no/
    Detail
    See Item No. 24
    Explanation
    • No: 24
    • Date: either December 1st or 17 (hard to read), 1853
    • Brudgommen's Nave (Bridegroom's Name) Ungkari = bachelor Iver Endreson, Oppholdssted (Residence) next possibly that he was born in Nissestad in Vig (Vik) and possibly saying he is now residing in Vangsnæs. Age 35. Brudgommens Far: His father is Endre Hansen Lie; 
    • Bruden’s Navn (Bride's name) Pige = unmarried woman or girl Unni Andersdtr, Oppholdssted (Residence) from Dale, Age 30 1/2. Bruden’s Far: Her father is Anders Erikson Vangsnæs.
    • Forlovernes (witnesses or best men or Sponsors) are Niels Monsen Vangsnæs and Anders Eriksen Vangsnæs. (Anders is most likely her father, so Niels would be a friend or relative of the groom.)
    • Tillysningsdagen (date of the wedding announcement): The next column could be the dates for the 3 banns dates where the marriage has to be announced in advance. The dates are hard to read.
    • Naar Havt De Naturlig Koppar, Eller Vaccineret? Attest Derom (Have they had smallpox naturally, or if not, have they been vaccinated? Attest thereto): Answer: yes. * Iver's is hard to read, ???, 1827 and Unni's is 5/4 25, meaning most likely 5 April 1825.
    *I will write about this later, but small pox etc. was a big problem. In the early 1800s everyone had to be vaccinated before marriage.

    Click here to see an enlargeable version of the page.

    A reminder of where the farms are:
    Unni's home farm is not shown on any of the maps I have put on the blog:: New Map of Vik and Area. But look at the map with Vik at the south edge with Balestrand across the fjord. You can see Vangsnes and the ferry routes. The Berge farm in Balestrand is further north. Follow the ferry route north along the bit of the fjord called Fjaerlandsfjord. Wilda Obey says that the farm is close to Mundal where US Vice President and ambassador to Japan Walter Mondale had ancestors.

    The second map shows the southern part of Vik. There you can find the Le or Lee farm and the Nissestad farms.

    Wednesday, September 14, 2011

    John E. Vangsness' Birth Records

    Sogn og Fjordane county, Balestrand, Parish register (official) nr. 
    A 2 (1844-1866), Birth and baptism records 1852, page 21.
    The actual Parish register, p 21, Arkivverket Risksarkivet Og Statsarkivene

    Detail

    Our ancestor, John E. Vangsness' birth record in Norway.
    Click on the image to see a larger version. Most browsers will allow you to zoom in at least one level or enlargement. Use the back arrow in your browser to get back here.
    He is No. 39.
    --Or click here for a PDF version which can be enlarged.

    1. Birth date: 13 July
    2. Baptism date: 18 July
    3. Name: John
    4. Whether Legitimate or not: He is not. But, underneath it mentions that his parents married in 1853.
    5. Parent's names: Ungkari / bachelor- Iver Endreson, Pige / unmarried woman or girl - Unni Andersd. Vangsneas
    6. Sponsors:  Viking Endresen Nissestad (obviously his father's brother listed as Wiking on John G.'s family tree records) and his other 4 sponsors all live at Vangsnes.
    7. Note about being illegitimate: It has Erik (something like Pe) derson Vangsneaes. It could be that Erik Anderson Vangsnaes could be the babies grandfather. He may be vouching for the couple. (The ae in that name looks like an o.)

    About Baptismal Records
    -For baptismal records the year usually will be written at the top of the page.
    -The left hand column is the chronological number of that baptism for that year, starting with #1. 
    -Usually the next column will be the birth date, and the next column is the baptism date, then the child's name, next whether it is a legitimate birth, next the parents' names and residence. 
    -Next, usually on the second page, are the baptism sponsors, often 5 in number, with the oldest or most important man listed first, then the other men, and then the women. 
    -There may be a column for stating if there was a home baptism and by whom. 
    -There may be a last column for remarks, such as explaining why the parents aren't married. 
    -Some baptism records separate the boys from the girls, either with the boys on the left page and the girls on the right, or with the boys at the top of the page and girls at the bottom.

    If you can't tell by the name the sex of the child; a boy usually has 3 male sponsors and 2 female, while a girl has 3 female sponsors and 2 males. Almost always the male sponsors are listed first, oldest or more important first, and then the youngest, often the last is newly confirmed = circa age 16.)

    Thank you to Wilda Obey for finding this material and sharing it with us AND translating the Norwegian. AND for her detailed instructions on how to find the correct page in the Parish Records so that I could download it.

    Norwegian Parish Records and Censuses Online

    To see Norwegian Parish Records online go to Arkivverket Online Records
    Wilda Obey has provided detailed instructions how to use the site. 

    How to Use the Site
    Arkivverket Online Records

    This takes you to digitized parish registers. If you cannot get to the site from the address above, try typing in Norwegian digital arkiv, or Norwegian archives at a search engine to get there.

    At digitised parish registers select from the scroll of 20 counties and cities. When you select a county it will automatically go to the list of all of its parishes with years of the registers. Select a parish at the date that you wish. That will automatically go to the contents page, which often lists baptisms, marriages, burials, vaccinations, confirmations, and emigration by year. Select one category.

    This will automatically go to the category you chose. There one of the top lines is a light purple and has the title user options. There you can choose to view the page in one of 5 sizes, from reduced to larger than the original. Viewing at 60% works best for my printer, to get the whole two pages on one 11 by 8 inch paper. 150% will make it easier to read. Just below the purple line is the line with forward arrow, or forward 5 or 20, and also the backward arrows. This line is repeated at the bottom of the church register page. You can click the forward arrow until you find the entry you want to see.

    When you finish looking at those pages, if you click contents it will go back to that church register first page. If you click my selection it will go back to the county you chose. If you click new selection it will go back to the original digitised parish registers page.

    The parish registers are the actual photograph of the original page. They are written in Norwegian with some Latin words. The later registers have preprinted columns and titles.

    For baptismal records the year usually will be written at the top of the page. The left hand column is the chronological number of that baptism for that year, starting with #1. Usually the next column will be the birth date, and the next column is the baptism date, then the child's name, next whether it is a legitimate birth, next the parents' names and residence. Next, usually on the second page, are the baptism sponsors, often 5 in number, with the oldest or most important man listed first, then the other men, and then the women. There may be a column for stating if there was a home baptism and by whom. There may be a last column for remarks, such as explaining why the parents aren't married. Some baptism records separate the boys from the girls, either with the boys on the left page and the girls on the right, or with the boys at the top of the page and girls at the bottom.

    Marriage records list the year, and the chronological number of that marriage for that year, then the groom's name, then the bride's. Most give their ages or birth dates, birthplaces and/or residences, then fathers' names, then the two male sponsors. Often there will be a listing of the three dates of the banns (when the forthcoming marriage was announced in church). The last column is the vaccinations dates, and sometimes there are remarks, such as when the first spouse died. Usually the marriage records list the man as a bachelor = ungkarl, or its abbreviation ungk, and the woman as pige = unmarried woman. Or it will list if either is a widower or widow, sometimes abbreviated enk or e.

    For burials, listed by year, chronological number, person's name, age or birth date, residence, and sometimes cause of death is given. The first date is the date of death, and the second is the burial date. If there is a third date it is when the pastor was there and entered the data in the register (which might be weeks after the burial). If there is a - in the burial column, the body was not buried in the church yard. Some were lost at sea. Sometimes male and female burial listings are separated. In some it may give the father's name for a child, or the husband's name for a woman.

    Censuses. To get to censuses from the first page you came to, click The Digital Archives (or by selecting new selection from the church registers). Select a year - 1801, 1865, 1875, 1900, and then select a county. It will automatically go to the county and its subdivisions. Choose one. The censuses are transcribed and not the actual census page. The instructions and some of the data is in English, and most of the censuses have a page of explanation of abbreviations, and translations. You can search by farm name, or a person's first or last name, or birth year, etc. It is best to list only the first letter, or the first few letters, as spelling varies. The census page usually lists the farm name, its parish and county at the top line. It will give the number of cattle, bee hives, etc. Then it lists the household members, usually starting with the male head of household, his age or birth date, if married or unmarried or a widower, his occupation, and birthplace. Then it lists his wife, children, and other members of the household, such as servants, parents or siblings.

    Other online sites for Norway can be found from any search engine, wikipedia, CyndisList, Google Earth and many other sites. 
     Ancestors from Norway by John Follesdal, has how to do Norwegian genealogy, history, explanation of and where to find bygdeboks, vocabulary lists, etc., and links.

    http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/index.html 
     Norway genealogy by Linda Schwartz, has a variety of subjects and links.

    http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ is a question and answer format on a variety of topics, such as What did Vikings eat?

    http://www.norwayheritage.com/ is mostly on emigration.

    http://www.pinecogen.org/ our Pine County Genealogical Society, has links to mostly U.S. sources. Click on research, then click on other genealogy sites. There the Minnesota Historical Society has their catalog, birth and death certificate indexes, photograph collection, etc. The Iron Range Research Center is a good source for naturalization records which one may photocopy while at their center or at the MN Historical Society. Dalby database has many pages on Norwegians listed in cemeteries, obituaries, newspaper articles, etc. 


    Tuesday, September 13, 2011

    Vangsnes, Le, Nistad

    Vangsness, Le, Nistad

    These are the 3 farms associated with our family.

    Wilda Obey continues,
    All 3 farms you mention are in Vik. Vangsnes is a peninsula near the main part of Vik, which is called Vik, Vik. Vangsnes is now the main ferry terminal to cross the Sognefjord from Vik to Balestrand and Leikanger. It is a very large farm with many sub farms = many different families living there. Le and Nistad are in the Arnafjord part of Vik. This is a remote, mountainous, beautiful area with small farms with only one or a few families living at each farm.

    Go to Vikjavev.no for more complete listing of all farms, history, and other interesting material.


    The Le Farm
    Lie/Lee is a very common name, meaning meadow or pasture, and possibly the Lee in question is a sub farm of a larger farm.

     © Torstein Hønsi

    To quote from the Vikjavev.no site:
    Le (ON *LiĂ°in from liĂ° 'field gate' and vin 'meadow, pasture') is one of the oldest farms in Arnafjorden, and before machines became common in agriculture, the steep fields at Le were considered very good farmlands. The Le farms have got their mountain farms at Bjergane.

     © Torstein Hønsi

    The Nistad Farm

    © Torstein Hønsi.

    To quote from the Vikjavev.no site:
    Nistad (not interpreted) must be populated about viking age, according to the 'stad'-ending. Nistad's summer farm is Skoddesete and the spring farm is Dragsbotnen.

    The Vangsnes Farm

     © Torstein Hønsi.

     © Torstein Hønsi.
    To quote from the Vikjavev.no site:
    Vangsnes has probably got it's name fromVangsen 'the ploughshare', a sunken rock in the fjord off Vangsnes. Nes is 'point'. In the older days there were three distinct house clusters at Vangsnes: Indreneset, Midtun and Ytreneset. The summer farms belonging to the Vangsnes farms are Kallbakk, Kleivadalen, Endresete, Godstøl and Gjelet.

    Bygdaboks

    What are Bygdaboks
    We are receiving help in looking for our relatives from Wilda Obey, a member of the Genealogical Society in her part of Minnesota. She has 3 bygdeboks for the Sognefjord area of Norway; Leikanger Vik and Balestrand. She was first in contact with Dave Vangsness and I was able to contact her with Dave's help. She has copies of several other important resources from the Vik area.

    Thank you so much, Wilda!!

    Wilda Obey says:

    Bygdbok is bok = book and bygd = a rural community.

    These books list all of the farms in one area of Norway, by farm. They usually start at about 1600 and mention the name of the farmers there then. They mention his wife and children and usually give some dates, by year only. They tell where the children went or who they married if they left the farm. It continues on with who lived at the farm down to the early 1900s.

    Arkivvet is the Norwegian spelling of archive. (That is v v not w) This is online and has actual church pages and these are of baptisms, marriages, burials and also vaccination, confirmation, and those coming into and leaving the parish. It also has some censuses, not the actual page, but a transcription, and emigration information.

    Names
    Our first ancestor to come to America is named Iver Endreson, Nistad, his wife is Unni Andersdattor.

    Wilda always tell everyone not to worry about spelling. There are several different ways to spell almost every personal name and the farm names. In Norway a child was usually named for a grandparent, sibling of the parents or first spouse who had died of either parent.

    The patronym, Endreson, means he is the son of Endre. Endre's daughters would be Endresdatter, and they kept this name for life, as even after marriage, they are still Endre's daughter. The last name, Vangsnes, Lie, Nistad is the farm name. This should be thought of more as an address than as a permanent name. 

    Iver/Ivar Endreson may have been born at Nistad, married and lived at Lie/Lee/Le (which is the Le in Arnafjord, Vik) and then moved to Vangsnes and taken that name. 

    In the U.S. they could use the farm name, or the patronym, usually choosing a name that Yanks could pronounce and not make fun of. Or they might take a more Anglicized name, often starting with the same first letter as the original name.

    Monday, September 12, 2011

    Fridtjof the Bold

    The Frithjof's Saga

    File:Statue av Fridtjov den frøkne oppført av Vilhelm II.jpg
    Fridtjof the Bold              Photo By: Ssolbergj
    In Vik, Vangsnes, there is a small peninsula or point where this statue is located. This is Fridtjof, the Bold from The Frithjof Saga.

    Friðþjófs saga hins frœkna (Frithiof's Saga) is a legendary saga from Iceland which in its present form is from ca 1300. It is a continuation from The Saga of Thorstein Víkingsson (Þorsteins saga Víkingssonar). It takes place principally in the Vik area of Norway during the 8th century.

    Shelly Sylvester summarized the story something like this:

    This big fellow is a local viking hero. He wanted to marry Ingebjørg, the daughter of King Bele from the other side of the fjord where Fridtjof lived (Vangsnes).

    Fridtjof and Ingebjørg grew up together on the farm Hilding (one of the largest farms in Sogn at the time, situated further in the fjord). But when Fridtjof wanted to marry Ingebjørn her brothers tried to put a stop to it, because they wanted her to marry the powerful King Ring of Ringerike (east Norway), to avoid a big war with him. To make this happen the brothers sent Fridtjof on a trip to the Orkney islands telling him to collect taxes and hoping to be rid of him for good. Then they made Ingebjørg marry King Ring and robbed and burned Fridtjof's home farm on Vangsnes.

    When Fridjof came back and saw what had happened to his home farm and Ingebjørg he burned the Grand farm that Ingebjørgs brothers lived on in Balestrand, and stole back the ring he had given to Ingebjørg before he left on the mission her brothers cooked up. Now he was lawless and left to raid foreign countries for treasures - that is to say, he went on Viking Raids!! After 3 years on the run he returned to Ringerike making himself out to be an old man that wanted to see his old girlfriend Ingebjørg. The old King liked Fridtjof and promised that he could have Ingebjørg as his own wife when the old king passed away to stop him going on another raid. Soon after the old King died.

    Fridtjof took Ingebjørg as his wife and controlled the kingdom until the old king's sons where of age. They didn't like Fridtjof so they went to war against him. In one battle Fridtjof killed one of the sons while the other begged for his life and Fridtjof let him live. After this Fridtjof became King of all of Sogn and made Hordaland part of his kingdom too.
    What is a SAGA

    According to Wikipedia:
    The setting is primarily Scandinavia, but occasionally it moves temporarily to more distant and exotic locations. There are also very often mythological elements, such as dwarfs, elves, giants and magic. In centuries past, they were considered to be reliable historic sources by Scandinavian scholars, but since the 19th century, they have been considered to contain very little historic material. The present consensus is that, although some of the sagas contain a small core which is not fiction, or are based on historical characters, the primary function of the legendary sagas was entertainment, and the aim of the sagas has not been to present a historically accurate tale. Recently, however, it has been emphasized that the sagas are useful sources for the culture of 13th and 14th century Iceland, "in terms of the light that they can shed on the culture in which they were composed" i.e. Iceland in the later Middle Ages.

    The statue in the picture was given to the county of Vik in 1913 by the German Emperor Wilhelm II. The statue of Fridtjof the Bold stands 22.5 m tall and it located on Vangsnes Point.

    New Map of Vik and Area

    If you click on the maps, I believe they will open in your browser and one more click will enlarge it. These two maps show all the farms in the Vik - Sognafjord area.

    Wilda Obey says:
    The Map #1 with Vik at the south edge and Balestrand across - shows Vangsnes and its ferry routes. The Berge farm in Balestrand is further north and not on this map page. It is on the Fjaerlandsfjord and is fairly close to Mundal where U. S. VP and ambassador to Japan Walter Mondale had ancestors.

    The Map #2 is of the southern part of Vik and shows the Lee (here spelled Lee but it must be your Le) and Nissestad farms.

    Map #1
    Kartbok for Vest Landet Copyright Bergens Tidende, 1985
    Click here for PDF version of Map #1 that can be enlarged to see farms more clearly.

    Map #2
    Kartbok for Vest Landet Copyright Bergens Tidende, 1985
    Click here for a PDF version of Map #2 that can be enlarged to see farms more clearly.

    A Little Bit About Vangsness

    The Ploughshare
    Vik
    Vangsnes is a village in the parish of Vik, Sogn go Fjordane County.

    The Vikjavev Home Page says:
    Vangsnes most likely got it name from Vangsen, "The Ploughshare", a sunken rock in the fjord off Vangsnes. "Nes" means "point".

    This home page is really beautiful, with lots of photos and daily weather-of-the-day photos of Vik, listings and photos of the farms and much interesting information.
    http://vikjavev.no/

    If you jump to the Vikjavey Home Page, they have a photo updated daily showing Vangsness. There is also a clickable map with photos of farms.

    History link. Go to Vik i Sogn though the centuries to read a short history of Vik

    Long ago, there were 3 distinct areas where people lived in Vangsnes:
    • Indreneset,
    • Midtun,
    • Ytreneset.
    It seems in Norway at the time, there were summer farms and winter farms.
    Norway farms.jpg
    The summer farms that were part of Vangsness district are:
    • Kallbakk,
    • Kleivadalen,
    • Endresete,
    • Godstol and
    • Gjelet

    Notice one of the farms is called Endresete, which is close of some of the names found among our ancestors: Endre...

    Originally, up to 1837, Vangsnes was in Leikanger parish.
    In 1850, Balestrand was established and Vangsness was transferred there.
    The last and most recent governmental change came in 1964, when Vangsnes was transferred to Vik parish.

    Saturday, September 10, 2011

    Borgund Stave Church

    My sister, Nella Synneve Parrish, and her husband, Mike, visited Norway and Vik a couple of years ago. This church is considered one of the best and most complete examples of its kind.

    Nella in front of Borgund Stave Church

    Thursday, September 8, 2011

    Map of Norway - Sognafjord, Arnafjord

    Please take a look at this map provided by Dave Vangsness.
    It is a scan of an old atlas that he has.

    I added the red arrows showing 4 interesting sites:

    • Sognafjord - the name of fjord where they lived.
    • Vangsnes Farm - which is now a ferry landing.
    • Arnafjord - where the Lee/Le/Lie Farm could be.
    • Borgund Stave Church


    Below, where it says Location, I had also added a Google Map, so you can zoom in and out to see more of the country.

    Lydia Vangsness as a young woman

    Lydia was raised as a daughter of John E. Vangness, but she is actually the daughter of Ida, who died in 1903 in child birth. Lydia was, of course, that child.
    Here are some photos of Lydia as a young girl and woman.


    Could this be Lydia's Confirmation Photo?

    Lydia & Unni, who raised the Vangsness children
    Lydia as a grown woman.
    Lydia loved those round eye glasses!

    Formal photo of Lydia
    My mother told me that Lydia did not know about the circumstances of her birth or what happened to her real mother. She must have thought it odd, that everyone else's mother, Synneve Berge, John E.'s wife, had died in 1891. My mother said she was told some time before her wedding to Reuben Sjoquist. Lydia immediately told Reuben. Reuben is reported to have said something like this: "Oh that! I have known that for years. It makes no difference to me! Everyone knows."


    Here is the Sjoquist Farm in Goodhue, Minnesota, where Lydia and Reuben lived. Phyllis, Robert and Don were raised here.


    Sjoquist Farm